Elusis ([info]elusis) wrote,
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Dammit, Mozilla just crashed my machine and I lost the first half of a post on Marriage Protection Week that I started last night.

So here's my best reconstruction:

I'm a marriage professional. The state of Colorado says so. And as a marriage professional, let me assure you of this: The one thing that marriages really do need protection from is married people.

People in marriages manage to commit all sorts of idiocy, injury, and outright thuggish cruelty on one another thanks to their ideas about what marriage is and should be. There's very little people can do to one another that hurts more than a marriage gone bad in one direction or another. Married people cheat, lie, steal, play power games, stop having sex, have children in a failed attempt to save the marrage, drift apart, emotionally batter, walk out, humiliate, antagonize, brutalize, murder, rape, sabotage, take advantage of each other, and make one another literally or figuratively crazy. Religious married people blatantly ignore every tenet of their alleged religion in order to misbehave in their marrages, while secular humanists heap contempt on each others' humanity.

The marriage scientists have done all kinds of research about toxic conflict styles, predictors of divorce, and theories of marital failure. Shockingly, not one of them mentions "the desire by people to have a non-traditional union" or "social ambivalence about the sanctity of marriage" as a risk factor. I'll bet all the money I have that not a single marriage therapist has ever had a couple show up in his or her office saying "we're having trouble in our marriage because of the gays." People complain about the same things over and over: they can't handle money together, they can't have sex together, they can't handle conflict together, they can't parent children together. Those four categories cover about 98% of all couples who show up in a therapist's office.

Despite the atrocities committed in the name of marriage, married people are happier than singles. Married people are more productive workers. Married people get sick less often (and are more likely to be covered by health insurance when they do). Children in married homes are less likely to live in poverty, or to go to school hungry. The MPW'ers want to have it both ways: "Marriage is Good" and "Marriage Should Be Limited." If marriage is good, we need more of it, not less. If we need less marriage because it's too dangerous to let everyone have it, more barriers need to be raised.

Because while the moralists grouse about how easy it is to get divorced, the truth is that even in an amenable divorce, it's hardly a matter of "yawn... we're so bored with each other... well, see ya!" The realities of mutual property and mutual debt and children and pets and etc. etc. makes even a "simple" divorce about 100 times more complex than a marriage.

But it's easy as hell to get married, provided you pick a single person of the "correct" gender. Unlike immigration marriages, which are assumed to be a sham unless proven to be legit, civil marriages are presumed legit unless proven otherwise. Met someone in front of the courthouse 10 minutes ago? Go get a license and have it signed, bang you're married. I got married too young, and the boi even younger. I've seen too many couples who've married too young. I've seen couples who don't know how to be individual people, and individual people who don't know how to be couples. We teach nothing, either formally or culturally, about how to really DO marriage in a functional way; everything the average couple knows about marriage when they get ready to walk down the aisle is a pastiche of fantasies, anecdotes, and outright lies.

Arguments about the alleged sacredness of marriage arean exercise in selective attention and self-delusion. If the preachers really want marriage to be a sacrament, let's call off the practice of secular marriage at once. All people who aren't religious and who don't get married in a church, you now aren't married. And then the establishement clause will invoke, and the equal protection clause, and we'll be forced to come up with a way of declaring people legally partnered that makes use solely of the civil system without all the religious baggage. Oh, and at the same time all people who are still "married" by this point? You have no legal ties or obligations or protections formery associated with "marriage" because it's now solely a religious practice. If you want all those goodies, you have to go have the civil whosis whatsis and if you don't, you don't.

Marriage hasn't been destroyed by outside forces. It's been rotten from within since the dawn of civilization; it's just now that the worm is showing its head. I do my best to put back together individual marriages and to teach people how to think about their partnerships in a way that fits with their ethical and moral framework and honors the humanity of their partners. But "Marriage Protection Week" isn't going to make my job one iota any easier, nor is it going to improve the lives of a single person currently living on this earth. You have my guarantee as an expert on that.

* edited to add: please feel free to link back here without having to ask. I appreciate the vote of confidence.

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[info]mrsinner

October 15 2003, 14:51:22 UTC 8 years ago

Your post brought a smile to my face. I'am actually taking a marriage and family therapy class and I couldn't agree more. Nothing surprises me nowdays. NOTHING!

[info]elusis

October 15 2003, 15:29:41 UTC 8 years ago

In what context are you taking the course?

[info]mrsinner

8 years ago

[info]elusis

8 years ago

[info]mrsinner

8 years ago

[info]anisoptera

October 15 2003, 15:00:19 UTC 8 years ago

Hear, hear and well said

Permission to link in my journal requested.

[info]elusis

October 15 2003, 15:16:19 UTC 8 years ago

Re: Hear, hear and well said

Granted. FWIW, there's no need to ask in the future...

[info]gunhed

8 years ago

[info]teal_cuttlefish

October 15 2003, 15:00:20 UTC 8 years ago

Please, send this as a letter to the editor of the local papers. It's worth being read more people.

[info]naiadica

October 15 2003, 15:16:06 UTC 8 years ago

I have to agree with aliad. It's really good and thought-provoking.

[info]elusis

8 years ago

[info]velveteen

8 years ago

[info]elina

October 15 2003, 15:09:39 UTC 8 years ago

A-freaking-men!

[info]elynne

October 15 2003, 15:44:43 UTC 8 years ago

Beautiful. Beautiful. Thank you. :)

[info]browngirl

October 15 2003, 15:51:39 UTC 8 years ago

Wow.

Amen. This is absolutely amazing, and totally true.

A.
applauding

[info]vargatron

October 15 2003, 17:45:05 UTC 8 years ago

Let's tape this one to their face until they read it and understand it. Total bitchslap.

[info]whitr

October 15 2003, 18:21:37 UTC 8 years ago

Sing it, sister!!

I saw the above permission to link to this post and took it as permission that I could link as well.

[info]clafount

October 15 2003, 18:22:49 UTC 8 years ago

Yes!

Hot damn, you are so fucking right.

[info]dwc

October 15 2003, 20:13:21 UTC 8 years ago

Word.

[info]talamasca

October 15 2003, 20:53:28 UTC 8 years ago

There was a great pointed commentary on the Daily Show about marriage a bit back, when the subject of gay marriage was for the moment a hot button issue. Jon Stewart was talking about the sanctity of marriage...while behind him popped up a poster advertising one of those "Married by America" shows....

[info]elusis

October 16 2003, 08:30:53 UTC 8 years ago

Yeah, I keep forgetting to cite that kind of crap when I talk about this issue.

[info]antiopa

8 years ago

[info]antiopa

8 years ago

[info]dandelion_diva

October 15 2003, 20:54:30 UTC 8 years ago

*Standing Ovation*

Gessi

[info]targaff

October 16 2003, 00:53:49 UTC 8 years ago

Nice post (although some of the resultant comments nark... geez). For me the aside about immigration marriages in particular hits home - I'm royally sick of having to show governments (plural!) that there's nothing below board going on right here.

[info]elusis

October 16 2003, 08:31:41 UTC 8 years ago

We've been doing it for 5 1/2 years and the sick thing is that we STILL don't have his green card in hand thanks to the "efficiency" of the system.

[info]jarlent

October 16 2003, 00:58:29 UTC 8 years ago

hm

You hit the hot spot in the middle there about people not knowing how to be themselves. there's a big problem in the world, and lack of self knowledge is one of them. i've spent a good chunk of my life contemplating who i am and what i want to be. and i still don't know. so how can i ask someone who probably doesn't know who they are or what they really want to accompany me on that journey? if our paths coincide for a while, then we will be together, but marriage is just a chain shackling you to another person's problems and dreams. and unless they are perfectly aligned, then there will be a great deal of tension. Don't get married until you're at least 30. that's my opinion.

[info]walktheplank

October 16 2003, 07:10:55 UTC 8 years ago

Word.

[info]roxi_jazz

October 16 2003, 10:46:41 UTC 8 years ago

You are refreshing!

I've been married (briefly) and divorced (that didn't go so briefly). What went wrong? Besides him being a jackass, everything you just said...and then some. But I knew better at the time. It's not like going through the process and coming out of it brought upon me some fantastic epiphany. I've always known and agreed with everything you've said. I might even have a few more points to add, were I to sit down and really think on it more thoroughly. But knowing these things, and getting caught up in the "moment", are two totally different things, huh?


Anyway, thank you for sharing this. I'd like to add you. ;)

[info]stoda

October 16 2003, 13:31:32 UTC 8 years ago

Wonderfully stated. Clear, objective, precise, and thoughtful. And now... linked to from yet another journal.

[info]ayodele

October 16 2003, 16:16:21 UTC 8 years ago

i have the smartest she devils...

[info]ahsu

October 16 2003, 16:31:23 UTC 8 years ago

I've been married for nearly fourteen years, and Bush's "Marriage Protection" idea makes me seethe. My marriage has certainly needed protection here and there, but as you say, the threats have come from within, and I doubt the federal government could have helped!

I have been unsuccessfully trying to pull together my thoughts on this for a week, so I am mightily pleased that you have done it instead. May I link to this?

[info]elusis

October 16 2003, 16:45:44 UTC 8 years ago

Link as you'd like. :>

[info]ahsu

8 years ago

[info]genmaicha

October 16 2003, 16:42:22 UTC 8 years ago

Followed a link from [info]stoda and here's another round of applause for this well-written work. The logic of the situation seems to have escaped top decision-makers while they maneuver for re-election support. I'm married and I've certainly never felt threatened by gays. I even have a lesbian "stalker" (a good friend who pretends to want to seduce me away).

[info]anathegothwitch

October 16 2003, 17:20:55 UTC 8 years ago

So, basically, the only thing we really know about marriage is how to get divorced? I always thought marriage was a nifty way to say "If you cheat on me, I have the right to make you miserable until you die"...

[info]elusis

October 21 2003, 16:31:35 UTC 8 years ago

I'm not saying we shouldn't have marriage. I'm saying it needs a lot more than big concrete walls built around it to keep the gays out in order to get truly healthy.

[info]foxsynergy

October 16 2003, 17:28:49 UTC 8 years ago

I applaud your excellent points and presentation, and humbly request permission to link to your post.

[info]elusis

October 16 2003, 21:14:09 UTC 8 years ago

Certainly.

[info]mongoonlypawn

October 16 2003, 20:25:18 UTC 8 years ago

babies and bathwater

While the bulk of your argument--notably the hypocrisy of "Marriage Protection Week" (do you need a special license to shoot fish in barrels?)--is sound and compelling, I must take exception to several points.

1) ". . .[E]verything the average couple knows about marriage when they get ready to walk down the aisle is a pastiche of fantasies, anecdotes, and outright lies." Too valid to be ignored, but too reductive and hyperbolic for my agreement. If I enter a monastery unprepared for the discipline I will be called upon to exercise, is this the fault of the monastery? I have a hunch that most American hunters should not be given guns, or even arrows for that matter. In many cases, however, hunting is an ethical act of self-sustenance. I'm on thin ice here, but I will ask that you be careful of blaming a practice for the inability of most of its practitioners to do it right.
2) "If marriage is good, we need more of it, not less. If we need less marriage because it's too dangerous to let everyone have it, more barriers need to be raised." While the second premise, however jarring, is nigh upon irrefutable, the first is ludicrously simplistic. Is rain good? Fire? Information? Chocolate? Might we not need less of something that is good? Are you acquainted with the law of diminishing returns?
3) "If the preachers really want marriage to be a sacrament, let's call off the practice of secular marriage at once." We should do this because a bunch of guys who hold positions in churches I don't belong to want us to? If you have a point beyond mere sarcasm, I don't get it.
4) "Marriage hasn't been destroyed by outside forces. It's been rotten from within since the dawn of civilization. . . ." Frankly, this angers me. People have had problems with people since long before history kicked in; any expectation that the instinct toward marriage/monogamy/life-partnership, or the institutions that surround it/them, would be trouble-free is fantastically naive. Yes, marriage secular and religious has been a breeding ground for dangerous mythologies and systems of abuse, and thus warrants harsh critique and constant re-evaluation. Is this because the drive to connect oneself deliberately and wholeheartedly to another is fundamentally destructive, or because we still haven't completely figured out that pointy sticks can all-too-easily draw blood? However problematic, I maintain that the instinct of which I speak, the urge to transcend the self, to merge and by merging foster the (un-coerced) transcendence of the other, is among the noblest traits of humankind.

My parents have been married 42 years. There have been and continue to be great problems born of ignorance, selfishness and perhaps even cruelty. But there is no less a beauty and a holiness to them, collectively and individually, that could not exist in the absence of those 42 years. For all their deep, deep faults, they have sanctified themselves, each other, and their offspring, and I need no clergy's verification. On their behalf and my own, I oppose what I take to be your blanket condemnation of marriage.

Respectfully,

PS: During the three hours I spent composing this response, on more than one occasion I reacted to something that I was sure you'd said, only to find, on third reading, your position was within spitting distance of my own.

[info]eleccham

October 17 2003, 10:36:48 UTC 8 years ago

Re: babies and bathwater

I think that the point here is, it would seem that the people desiring "non-traditional" marriages would be no less likely to get it right - and in some cases, perhaps more likely - so, if marriage is good, why not allow those "other" people to have them as well, if they're no more likely to screw them up?

[info]elusis

8 years ago

[info]rysmiel

October 17 2003, 06:51:20 UTC 8 years ago

I like this, and will be posting a link to it.

[info]faraway66

October 17 2003, 11:14:25 UTC 8 years ago

Brava!! Bravissima!! Oh, well said, very well said.

I would humbly request that you submit this to AOL under their "Opinions" section -- there's a section for member's opinions and they actually print them every once in a while. I'd just like to see this get the largest audience possible.

[info]elusis

October 21 2003, 16:28:31 UTC 8 years ago

I'm not a member of AOL. :-/
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